Contact Point for Serve & Forehand Loop in Table Tennis

Contact Point for Serve & Forehand Loop in Table Tennis

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Welcome back to my channel. A place to learn table tennis correctly and
with fun. Finally, I have time to make another Ping
Sunday video. Today, we talk about
the “Contact Point” in table tennis. What is the appropriate contact point on
the racket that makes consistent deliver in every execution? Hit the ball at the right position on the
racket is very important in table tennis. Many
players lose power on their forehand topspin attack because they contact the ball
at the wrong position. Today, we learn the optimal contact point
for the serve, and for the forehand loop. A good contact point will maximize the power
of your shots. BEST CONTACT POINT
FOR THE FOREHAND TOPSPIN A player asked me “Hi coach. When I do the forehand stroke,
the contact point is not at the center of the bat. Is it correct?” He also sent me some photos of top player
forehand topspin. Well. This is your table tennis racket. First of all,
let’s divide your racket into several parts. Divide the racket into the 4×4 array like
this. Point (1,1) is at the bottom left. Point (4,4) is at the top right. Based on the Chinese coach, the optimal contact
position for the forehand loop is the point (3,3). This point gives you the most consistent quality. Near the
head of the racket to get maximize speed. Near the upper side of the racket
to minimize the power lost. If you hit the ball at the point (2,2) or
(2,3), you will lose some of the power. If you hit
at the point (4,2) or (4,3), this point offers you the highest velocity of the racket,
but you may miss your shots. Let’s take a look at the top player’s technique. You can clearly see that Zhang Jike
hits the ball at the (3,3) position. A good table tennis coach can also quickly
identify if you are a good player or not by looking at your racket. A good player always hit the ball at the same
position. This is the personal racket of Ma Long. You can see that the mark on his racket. The best contact point is clearly near the
(3,2) and (3,3) position. This is the forehand loop slow motion of Fan
Zhendong, filmed by kroliknor. It’s amazing! You can clearly see the contact point! If you ask another Chinese coach about this
contact point. You will get the same
answer. On mytabletennis, there is a topic “Ask a
top level Chinese coach anything”. Mickd from Japan has the opportunity to talk
with top Chinese coach. Question: When doing a Forehand loop, where
is the contact point on the racket surface? Answer: This is the position (near the top
edge of the racket). Question: Does this point vary when looping
underspin and topspin ball? Answer: No, same position for both top and
underspin. You also find another concept that I’ve explained
in my previous videos. For example,
about the grip. The key is having a fully relaxed grip. This will help you accelerate
at the right moment. Top Chinese coach focuses a lot on the feeling
and the grip. BEST CONTACT POINT
FOR THE SERVE The contact point is very important for the
table tennis serve. By varying the
contact point, you can increase or decrease the spin, and speed of your serve. Mastering the contact point is the key to
make a deceptive serve. If you want to maximize spin in your serve,
you should contact the ball near the head of the racket. Because on these points, the velocity, the
speed is highest. If you want to make the heavy underspin serve,
contact the ball at the position (4,2). If you want to make the heavy topspin serve,
contact the ball at the position (4,3). If you want to make a fast long serve, hit
the ball at the head of the racket. How to make a deceptive serve? With the same motion, but now you change the
contact point, you can change the spin of your serve. In the real match, if you
want to serve a less spin, floating serve, you contact the ball near the handle
of the racket. Contact at the (1,2) or (2,2) position will
make a no-spin, floating serve no matter what your serving motion. This no-spin serve is very effective because
the opponent will push the ball high, so you can easily
attack this ball. Top Chinese player often contacts the ball
near the head of the racket to maximize spin. They always add “side-spin” to their serves. Contact at (4,2) for pendulum serve. Contact at (4,3) for reverse pendulum serve. That’s it for today. I really want to thank “kroliknor” for his
footage. I also want to thank
my supporters! You are my motivation! I’m very busy, but your feedback has
motivated me a lot! Thank you Charles, and many other fox 🙂
Wish you enjoy and play more table tennis! See you, EmRatThich.

94 thoughts on “Contact Point for Serve & Forehand Loop in Table Tennis”

  1. Hey coach, can you tell me a good blade for an offensive player who also mixes in some offset shots?(Chop Blocks and either sidespin forehand or sidespin backhand shots) Also, can you make a video on different types of wood in table tennis and combinations of wood that are best for your style of play. Mine is Ayous and Koto.

  2. Good stuff in here. Now that I think, I remember that for my super topspin serve with high speed I hit the ball with the top part of the racket. Guess I never knew why I do that (untill now).

  3. For me works like this: point 1:1 for max underspin, opponent mostly shots to the net. For topspin against backspin, head of the racket, and for topspin rally almost the the point that Ma Long hits🙂.

  4. Thanks coach. I have 3 different serves: Pendulum (side-top, side-back) similar stroke. Reverse Pendulum (side-top, side-back) similar stroke. High toss serve (nospin, heavy backspin) similar stroke. I only vary my contact, placement, speed of stroke. My coach says I have better serve than most of the players in my club, and thats because of your videos I have also made my strokes better with help of your videos. Its okay for you to take break sometimes you have deserved it. Greetings from Finland.

  5. Does the contact point vary when you are left hander?? For example when you serve reverse pendulum the best contact point is 4,3 but when you use left hand is it mirrored or the same

  6. Your video evidence did not prove the forehand loop contact point. The still pictures of the pros also do not necessarily mean they hit the ball where you stated

  7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DVGOLsJ444
    watch this video ma long warm up with FZD forehand topspin and they hit the ball with lower part of racket not the upper part.

  8. Hi from Bogota Colombia, i would like many of this videos. I like the subtitles its very usefull for me i dont speak english very well and the subs help me a lot. Thanks EmRatThich

  9. NICEEEE
    Thanks a lot for your videos i really look forward for each and one of them
    And i totally understand that you are busy 🙂
    If you would have tips how to make people move that would be very helpful, in a sense that
    for example : always jump after each stroke to one does not just stand still or sth like that 🙂
    Keep up the videos 🙂

  10. Hello Coach!
    I know you are busy but is it right that you should not rotate your hip to the maximum? Just a little kick like Fan Zhendong but Ma Long uses his hip more and has a bigger arm swing. Fan Zhendong has a shorter arm swing as we can see in this video. One more thing about the hip, is how fast you should rotate the hip as I can see Fan Zhendong moves it little and slow.

    Second question is about where your free arm should be. Should it be still or make a follow thru? In a right handers case it is the left arm. I see that Fan's left arm is quite still and doesn't move so much. But Ma Long's arm is moving more and does a follow thru. So can you explain this?
    What are the posstives for both the hip and free arm? Thank you best coach I think more want to know this. Best Regards!

  11. Very funny the arrows used to show the "3X3" point in some players, even when the ball y very far away from the paddle

  12. i love you coach few days back i have worked out on loosing down my grip and iam feeling that there is more readiness and more speed in a game

  13. Will hitting it at the correct point result in the arc of the ball in when I forehand topspin? Just like we see in some pro players.

  14. Hello sir .
    I don't know how to do backhand topspin and if you will make video on backhand topspin so plz don't interfare my name in that video plz make on backhand topspin.

  15. Great video thanks a lot. I'm having real trouble learning to serve , I'm hoping I can now put your good advice into practice 🏓 All the best to you and your family for the coming year 😀

  16. While I found most of your video informative, i just saw a video of "ma long perfect mechanics" and it seems he top spin at (3,1). Gonna try (3,4) today though in the training

  17. Hi Coach, can you show us the correct technique for short pips with shakehand grip on backhand? It is difficult to practise because no coach can help me improve my skills.

  18. Happy new year coach and all folks. As my first year ranking, I went up 2 categories it will be my best year (despite that i am over 50). i apreciate your efforts. THANKS a lot!!!

  19. Hello empathic has when ur doing the side spin forehand do u need to use A LOT of ur wrist because one time my wrist hurt a lot in a match when I was doing the sidespin

  20. Hey coach, I really enjoy your videos.
    If possible, Could you explain why Chinese top players hit around 3-2 in slow motion.
    please check URL below.
    Especially Li xiaoxia hit around 3-1 at 1:31.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_UUT8N29f8

  21. For the contact point on the backhand side: Backhand push at (3,3) or (3,4). Backhand flick at (3,2).
    Read more at: https://pingsunday.com/contact-point-max-spin-table-tennis-serve/

  22. Hey Coach EmRatThich, i have a doubt, will u pls correct it?
    Sir, Forehand is played outside the body line. (I m righty, so I have to hit the ball from the right-outside, extending the right hand)
    Should I play Backhands the same way, extending the hand to left-outside, or it has to be played within the body line?
    Thanks in advance!

  23. Still I am confused with the grip. Should we tighten our grip at the point of contact when we hit the ball for top spin?

  24. Hi coach,
    Thank you for all your tips! I had two areas I wanted to ask about. I am a modern defender who blocks/counterloops on forehand instead of chopping (like Filus).

    1. I saw your forehand loop videos about how using wrist is University level and now this video about contact point. I've learned to weight transfer properly and can now hit 10+ loops consistently (I could hit more but as I am a modern defender I am focusing more on other aspects). SO, I find fixing my contact point and using my wrist both at the same time very difficult and I miss a lot. Should I firstly focus on fixing my contact point for fh loop and then go to using wrist? Or both at the same time? My coach never really told me to focus on contact point.

    2. I saw in another video you told a modern defender to contact the ball lower. I also have/had the same problem but instead, my coach told me to keep my bat more open. Thus, I have semi consistent chops now without much backspin. This is also because I practised very fast multiball and developed a habit of a short stroke (almost like a chopblock). So trying to fix it now. Should I slow down multiball speed? And secondly how do I chop the very fast opening loops low at hip level? Since they are very fast there is no other option but to take it high.

    Thanks for all the videos!

  25. Very useful! A lot of European coaches teach different staff. According to them for example best contact point for fh loop is 4.2-4.3. But exactly as you said I find too many balls are off the table after hitting there despite the speed and spin.

  26. EmRatThich I'm thinking to make a setup with def blade and with attack loop rubbers so maybe I could get more control when playing my offensive game? What do you think about that, could it be possible?

  27. Hey coach!

    If I have a blade that has a small sweet spot (Stiga Allround Classic), would it be the same point (3,3) or should I just aim for the sweet spot?

  28. Usually I like your videos very much, but in this video your pictures don't prove at all what you say about contact point.
    At most of them you cannot see at all, where the top players hit the ball. However, I can imagine that you right mostly. But the other videos you posted are much better in my opinion.

  29. Love your intelligent insights! I wish I started watching your videos a long time ago. You've helped me a great deal.

  30. Hi coach,
    This Chinese coach does not seem to agree with you. he said forehand loop contact point is lower corner. you can clearly see in this video that he points to that area. Why don't you show us some videos of yourself playing and making contact on where you said it is suppose to be. so we can understand it better.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9-ZCHfTBFw&t=0s&index=5&list=PL8SoDnyoTZ9MpmKVkDvLdI2LDt9DpTNw2

  31. Hey coach, I find it easy and comfortable to hit the ball at 3,2 while attacking(not loop) rather than 3,3 and i mostly see top players to attack at point 3,2 rather than 3,3 am i right?

  32. I saw yunpeng guo video about this as per your suggestion.He says that firstly keep your racket flat when touching the ball and then close the angle while hitting. Any suggestion on it ?

  33. Respected coach can you please teach us the detail of Penhold grip.

    I use Penhold grip and I face a lot of trouble while playing.
    Please teach us through a video to correct me.

  34. Hi Coach, can you please make video on how to read on the kind of spin, and how to return the different types of serves

  35. Thanks for your great videos! It is rare to find such advanced ones but it is so needed!
    I am a little confused when it comes to serve and the point of contact for max underspin. I agree 4.2 or 4.3 give you the maximum velocity and speed when flicking your wrist, but the ball cannot stay long on the rubber and I found it harder to put spin. I usually hit the ball on 3.1 or 3.2 and found it more efficient (for short underpin serve obviously). I my mind, the longer the ball on the rubber the more spin you have. What do you think? Thanks!

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